This is a topic that needs to be discussed. After having this subject being brought to the attention of alot of us lately, we have questions as to the seriousness and reprocussions of the actions of a stalker and their prey. Stalking can lead to injury and even death. I am sure that many of us here can tell our own stories of a similar experience or a close call. Some might be able to give us links to help us identify those that might cause others harm or post information concerning the law. One thing that we must all remember; Life is too precious to allow someone to try to gain power over you, control your life or hurt you in any way. Lets all learn something from this latest subject that has been a discussion on many blogs. We would love to hear your stories and your opinions. We also hope that maybe just one person will benefit from this topic being discussed. Maybe one life saved.
Posted by: silverslipper | October 12, 2008
Stalking, a very possible dangerous situation!
Posted in Uncategorized | Tags: groupies, harrassment, internet stalkers, Keeping it Real, stalking
Source: Office for the Victims of Crime (Below)
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Are You Being Stalked?
According to the OVC’s brochure “Stalking Victimization,” anyone can be a stalker, just as anyone can be a stalking victim. The brochure points out:
Stalking Can Become Violent
The most prevalent type of stalking case involves some previous personal or romantic relationship between the stalker and the victim. This includes domestic violence cases and relationships in which there is no history of violence. In these cases, stalkers try to control every aspect of their victims’ lives.
The victim becomes the stalker’s source of self-esteem, and the loss of the relationship becomes the stalker’s greatest fear. This dynamic makes a stalker dangerous. Stalking cases that emerge from domestic violence situations, however, are the most lethal type of stalking.
The stalker may attempt to renew the relationship by sending flowers, gifts, and love letters. When the victim spurns these unwelcome advances, the stalker often turns to intimidation. Attempts at intimidation typically begin in the form of an unjustified and inappropriate intrusion into the victim’s life.
The intrusions become more frequent over time. This harassing behavior often escalates to direct or indirect threats. Unfortunately, cases that reach this level of seriousness often end in violence.
Source: About.com (Below)
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Stalking refers to repeated harassing or threatening behavior by an individual, such as following a person, appearing at a person’s home or place of business, making harassing phone calls, leaving written messages or objects, or vandalizing a person’s property, according to the U.S. Department of Justice Office for Victims of Crime (OVC).
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By: silverslipper on October 12, 2008
at 10:13 pm
That’s all really interesting SS and scarey.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 12:00 am
Scary stuff SS, I am new to posting don’t know too much about all of this not real computer savvy, just what I have read. Have not experienced anything like this, know I would not want to. What I don’t understand and it just maybe my niavity, how do they get your personal info? Does someone leak it out that is the only thing I can think of and that is just wrong. People develope contacts with who they want it is not public information, some things I have seen just turned my stomache. Sorry I can’t be of help, I would surely do it if I could.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 9:37 am
This one was very interesting. When I read it my mind went automatically to the MFOYA posters.
Jersey I’m not sure how they get people’s information. I assume people probably give it out not realizing there is danger.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 11:14 am
BHG, The only experience I have had is when Mfoya first arrived. I work full time at home one of the ladies I worked with also a Taylor fan was home one day and e-mailed me to check out mfoya’s chat room. Not knowing my info could be seen I went in and immediately mfoya came on and said who works for —– and all started to laugh and make fun. I got out and never went back took me almost a year before I felt comfortable posting. I had no idea that information could be revealed by just looking thought you would need to leave a comment first. They were some pretty nasty folks at that site. The quote you put up fits them and another I can think of perfectly.
Have a good one!
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 12:19 pm
Jersey MFOYA is one of the biggest internet stalkers I’ve come across. His/Her attempt to destroy Taylor in every way possible is obvious. The fact that they said outright where you work is proof that they are stalkers, that information shouldn’t have been given out and I doubt it was legal, but hard to prove. I can see why it scared you, I wonder how many others that were new to computer posting they scared away. The MFOYA site harbored the people that are now the posters on the Orphan site.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 12:50 pm
Jersey and BHGirl,
I have to agree, at that point in time, I had never witnessed (online) anything which was as cruel, sadistic, nasty or as vindictive as MFOYA. They went after Taylor due to who he was dating. They linked up, in my opinion with those that could network and those people were their work horses so to speak. They involved disgruntled women who were jealous and angry, apparently over other issues within the Taylor camp. All of these “things” were used to discredit Taylor and to embarrass him. It was certainly “stalking” and dangerous. I also believe it was meant to destroy Taylor, his fanbase, his relationship with his girlfriend and to make him pay for whatever they felt HE owed them, which was nothing. I also believe it was more than the photo’s that surfaced on the Internet. I believe the one who was the head of MFOYA had been involved with Taylor and was out to pay him back, just my opinion.
Its certainly suggestive, that Orphans and those (related screen names) who post there were part of MFOYA. The main one though, who was the key writer and instigator for MFOYA has left the group, whats left are what you see in negative blogs perpertrated by this person DAH. Why they still continue to bash Taylor and anythng he’s involved with is disappointing from a fans point of view, let alone, very very disturbing…why? The harm they cause between those in the fanbase and I believe that was the initial intent, to harm Taylor and his fanbase in any way they could. Look how long this has been going on? It’s stalking, because they claim to know insider information. Several of them give out personal information about the SP members and talk about wanting info, photo’s, etc., that’s internet stalking and certain an invasion of privacy.
By: Jeanni on October 13, 2008
at 1:18 pm
BHG, I hear you, when they said on that site someone’s workplace was called that really upset me. I did call my office and tell them what had happened, my boss a nascar fan and always on sites just laughed it off. But it did upset me enough not to post or go back while on my work computer (I’ve since gotten over it). I asked several people how that information showed up and no one could answer me, the only thing they said is that this person could have tracked my ip address, but it was within a minute of me being there. Totally freaked me out. I often wonder if mfoya is over at that other site I know there was more than one person posting as you could tell by the writing styles I would say at least 3 people put up posts there. Always seemed to me the folks had a personal issue with Taylor it wasn’t about brining out a scandal it was more like we can destroy him with our words and so many fell for it.
You know with all the terrible things they said and did Taylor rose above it and never acknowledged they exsisted, I have so much respect for him he felt no need to defend himself against what they were saying because it just wasn’t true. To me that said more than what they thought they could prove.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 1:23 pm
Jeanni I agree that whoever was involved in MFOYA and now orphans are trying to get back at Taylor for giving them what they felt he owes them.
Dah is from a separate group which was born on the AI boards. She has several Taylor hate blogs, belongs to several Taylor Hicks fansites, and is now and possibly always was part of the orphan site. She is also an internet stalker. She loves to draw people into fights. She will follow certain people around the internet baiting them and then accuse them of stalking as soon as they say anything back to her even though it is her that has come onto their “territory”. There are some very sick and dangerous people out there.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 1:28 pm
Jersey it’s possible that they were able to see where you were posting from by clicking on your IP address. From what you’ve said I think these people go from harrassing on the internet to harrassing people at work or at home. The internet can be a very positive thing and I have met many people that have become life long friends but with it also comes a dark side that can be very frightening.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 1:34 pm
BHG, I have found this whole internet world a scary place sometimes. I no longer feel I shouldn’t speak what I feel, I just don’t leave comments where I don’t agree with what is said, may read them but don’t leave comments.
I have seen what you mean that certain posters try to draw people in just to attack, there is something serioulsy wrong with that type of personality. It amazes me that they are praised for what they are doing just being downright nasty to people who may have a different opinion than theirs. Why belong to sites where you are not a fan, I would never want to get into a words war with some of them they are downright viscious. I have said other places I hope they are not parents because how can you teach your children repsect and tolerence when you have none yourself?
They really should take a good look at what they are doing because they could be bredding haters and no child should be subject to that.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 1:55 pm
Jersey you make a good point about breeding haters. I know someone who becomes a complete psycho everytime he gets behind the wheel of a car. He starts flipping everyone off, swerving at people, passing them and then slamming on the breaks, it’s NUTS! I won’t even get in the car with this person anymore and it always scared me that he did this with his kids in the car. What a bad example to be setting for them IMO. The internet reminds me of road rage in some ways, maybe they have a hard time seeing those in the cars as people just as on the internet people can become just words on a page and not actual human beings.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 2:29 pm
BHG, I thinking people on the internet can develope a whole different personality than who they really are, hiding behind a chosen name. No one knows who you are other than the folks you decide to let in, I guess for some it is a way of letting their aggressions out, not real healthy.
I certainly would not get in a car with someone like that nor would I let my children in, road rage is a problem that just seems to be getting worse, reading of more incidents then I ever did before. It may have something to do with how the economy is going right now, people are really struggling.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 3:37 pm
OMG…..This is so obvious to so many that I have run across. DEFINATELY Taylor and Caroline were stalked. I am sure that this influenced his extra security and less time being as personal with fans. I even noticed for a while that he would not go forward on the stage.
One woman was thrown out in Florida at one of his concerts. She grabbed his leg…and had stalked him by being at other concerts…and doing the same thing…like trying to grab him. Glad he is big and strong.
These people are sickos. I get stalked on the internet. Followed around by fools that try their damn best to intimidate me and then they threaten with a lawsuit…when THEY are the ones doing the stalking and threatening. Hey, if they have ever been in trouble before? DOWN THEY GO baby…and for the same thing? Ya know, three strikes and you are out is the law…LIFE IN PRISON. I think these people don’t even have the rational minds to even know what they are doing…but, I have never and will never allow anyone to stalk me. It is very scary and sometimes deadly. You have to get help. You have to report them. Best thing I know, if it is a personal relationship…is video tape them or record them…then go to the police. PROOF. You can even buy these really nice cameras, I have one…from any superstore…anyone that comes in my yard, I know it. That is how I knew who’s dog pooped in my driveway. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Gotta go work on taxes, be back later. This is a great topic.
I don’t mean to be happy about it, you all know I am taking this topic seriously. !!!!!!!!!! Right? OK.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 13, 2008
at 3:59 pm
BHG, just to clarify , no one can trace back to you with an IP address, you can only trace back to the company that own that stack of numbers and the city that they originate, no one can track back to a person,that stuff is protected by the internet companies, and they would have to have a friend working there to get that information.
if you go to a website called samspade.org you can run an IP address in the who is field and see the provider company, the city of origin and where to report abuse, but unless someone has sent you a trojan that relays your information back directly back to them, you should be alright, using the firefox browser can help avoid unwanted scripts from opening when you go to different websites.
By: Star on October 13, 2008
at 5:11 pm
CBB, People told me when that happened to me I should have reported it, but I didn’t know where to go to do it. I wasn’t posting then, so there was no one I could really ask. I found Mfoya very intimadating he tried to assinate Taylor’s character but all can that didn’t happen. The bottom line is what the man does with his private time is just that, no one has a right to invade that. Yeah we all like to hear what he is doing and who he is with, there is a fine line that should not be crossed and mfyoa crossed that line big time. I don’t think anyone else has crossed over that line, its usually just fun talk/speculation nothing that would hurt Taylor or his career.
One of my daughters friends got caught up in a internet thing. She was talking to a guy who said he was their age and wanted to date her. She set up a date with the guy and told my daughter, she told me the next day before she left for school. Concerned I told my daughter if she tried to leave school get to the principals office and let them know. Uncomfortable with the whole thing I called the school and told the principal what was going on, he alerted police and they found a guy in his 50’s in the parking lot waiting for her. He had taken on the identity of a young man killed in a car accident, evidently he would go through the obits and then see if they had a myspace and use the information to lure. It ended well but if she had not told my daughter lord knows what would have happened I don’t even like to think about it. Like it has been said the internet can be a very dark place.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 13, 2008
at 6:21 pm
This information is so helpful, Star. There are alot of people that have valuable information about when, how and where to post and then, the obvious, which is where NOT to post.
For your information, if you go to a private blog and click on a link (on that blog) to another blog or forum, you can be traced back to the private blog and “they” can get in. The key is NOT to click on that link but copy and paste it to your browzer and then go look if you so desire leaving no footprints in the sand.
I also know that someone can send a link to a blog in their post and it can go to spam and if the owner clicks on that link, they can automatically be traced as if a trap. A virus can be inserted as well. I would love to hear more specifics on this, can anyone explain exactly?
Internet stalking is also a very new trend with criminals. How about the college kid that found out Sarah Palin’s email code and therefore read and printed confidential information. He is up the river. Punishable by law, you can face years in jail. The internet needed rules and we have them. Posting PRIVATE information such as a person’s name, address, phone number and photos, etc. or any other stalkerlike crimes all fit within the definition of a stalker/harassment. Attempting to search out someone and blatenly putting it on the internet for those that enjoy stalking to publish, is being an accomplice. Just because someone can’t see you, does not give you the right to commit a crime.
By: silverslipper on October 13, 2008
at 6:33 pm
SS it’s true that if a person follows a link to get to a blog such as this the blog owner can trace back where it came from, whether it was another blog, forum, web search etc. You can even see what someone but in their browser to find the site.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 13, 2008
at 6:39 pm
BHG-
not sure about what/how a blog owner can see. I have never had a blog of my own even there is plenty I would like to say.
reading back on some of the comments.. I must agree that MFOYA was the biggest stalker of all. That, however, is old news. I will move on to the reject MFYOA orphan site. I just lurve how they- descendants of the MFOYA site- scream “stalking” as a defense. I have seen numerous posts over there accusing “loons” of stalking. They were part of a site that examined earlobes, eyebrows, and if they could, cooters! One of there posters is an admitted stalker and I believe was arrested for stalking. WHAT!!!! shall we forgive her? yes. everyone deserves forgivness. Shall we donate to her charity? Ummmm. that would be a big ole negative zero minus minus.
Not only that. I have NEVER EVER in my 100 years of living;) seen an operator of a charity be such a negative, purring, manipulative freak. Is that even legal? I thought they were supposed to be nice, sweet, sincere, all loving types. She is none of those things. I hope she never comes near me with a harmonica.
By: pippy on October 13, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Pippy, lmao! You have a great sense of humor in the midst of all of those haints. I presume that most know about them or have detailed information. I mean, when they write openly about certain things, it is on the information highway, is it not? It is so juvenile for anyone to presume that they are under some kind of protection order or within a force field. It seems that it is ok for them to do whatever they want, but others that discuss them are out of line? This falls into the category of some of the mentioned stalkers in my original post. Above the law, without guilt or without remorse. Denial, plays a big part.
I remember when several talked of narcissism. Those that are without concience and feel superior and are angered when tampered with. That, in and of itself, is a character flaw that identifies them as what and who they are and shows what they have been up to. It is a game for some on the surface but a sickness in reality.
I heard/read on a blog that the orphan’s blog is funny. I was astounded. I have seen mimics of MF or posers, whichever you desire to call them, that truly believe that they can totally change what they have done and have payed the piper yet they continue to not only fight amongst themselves but haven’t changed at all, just their topics/victims. Many have caused great stress and distress as well as provoked many to resign themselves of blogs and fansites. This is their victory. The very reason that we are the stronger for not allowing them to go free from being exposed.
I am so proud of all of you for being so willing to discuss this topic. I know that many see those that are challenged with their social skills and often feel sorry for them. But, as mentioned, watch your back as my source of this thread- researched to prove that they are often dangerous and delusional.
It is a good day for all of us here. Free to discuss what so many blogs and fansites refuse to discuss. It doesn’t mean that we are here to bash by any means. It means that we can share in our sadness for the Taylor and Caroline experience and his career and any other elements of his life that they don’t like and exploit. It means that we can also discuss personal attacks without persecution. It means that we are able to learn and become more knowledgeable about this horrid issue.
I began posting on boards without knowing that my privacy could be tossed into the street and trampled on at any time. You think that you should trust people especially when they are set up to enjoy and embrace the celebrity that they pretend to marvel about. Being betrayed is a wide awakening experience. I know some here that have been betrayed. I know that several have been so disgusted by the very ones that fit this profile and have had to endure their power pleasures. I am glad to be safe and sound and yet free to speak up, now, that is what freedom of speech is about. Enjoy and let’s keep talking. I am learning more and more.
By: silverslipper on October 13, 2008
at 9:47 pm
BRG,
OMG, is that so? All that? Not too safe out there is it? Hm.
JerseyI…
Scary isn’t it? Someone online CAN be anyone they want to be, online. I never really thought about that till I joined TH fan sites back in 2006. Then of course, after the MFOYA invaded Taylor’s private live, stalked him and his gf, it was quite astonishing to say the least. How those people live with themselves for what they did and the lies they told, I’ll never know. Then of course, the chrolls who pose as TH fans, us user names LIKE a TH fan and join TH fan sites, even THHQ! Horrible and yes, very scary when they come after you. I’ve had the experience with these sorts online and I know who they were.
By: Jeanni on October 13, 2008
at 10:49 pm
Wicked people…like I said once…think about it, you are walking down the street and you could be walking next to one of these loosers. I also would like to mention that these people vote for President! OMG. Well, some do. I guess the ones with felonies don’t. LMAO!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 13, 2008
at 11:51 pm
One more thing…have to say this…then I am off again. When the MFOYA things started…I was so miffed. Not many had posted yet. Ticked off, I posted what I thought about this idiotic topic. The dirtbag banned me and never posted my comment…made some snide remark. So, I never got to post. NOW…I am glad cause I did not want this person having any of my personal information. I was just so uninformed about how easy people can find you. YIKES! That is why I never go where I don’t trust. EVER! That’s why I am here!!!!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 13, 2008
at 11:56 pm
Hey all…this is food for thought…this is not just a crime, but a psychological problem which by some standards are equivelent to that of a sexual offender. Whatever manifests the deliverance of these individuals to commit this type of crime, should make it difficult for us to understand. Read part of this article below written by an attorney. Remember, if a person has been convicted of this crime, this might not be the first or only time. IF they are caught doing this on a second offense, BYE BYE!
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Stalking
Stalking is a term used to describe a set of behaviors that has been exhibited by individuals for thousands of years. While all states have had laws about assault and harassment for some time, the first law prohibiting stalking was not enacted until 1990. California was the first state to make acts of stalking illegal. This law was passed in response to some high profile stalking cases that eventually resulted in the VICTIM’S MURDER. Today, every state has a stalking law which prohibits individuals from engaging in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes them to reasonably feel fear and duress.
Thirteen states consider stalking a felony punishable by a heavy fine and more than a year of incarceration. Stalking is often considered a felony offence when there are aggravating factors involved such as: possession of a weapon, restraining order or probation/parole violation, repeated offenses, and when the victim is a minor. In some states and under some circumstances, people who are convicted on a felony stalking charge will have to register as a SEX OFFENDER upon release.
Stalkers can have all types of backgrounds, motivations, and psychological problems that motivate them to stalk others.
The most common type of stalking perpetrator is what experts call the simple obsessional stalker. In these stalking cases, the victim and the offender have had some prior relationship that has experienced some type of “falling out”. The motivation for this type of stalking is reconciliation and/or retaliation and is common in domestic violence situations. Another type of stalking offender is the love obsessional stalker who has had no previous relationship with his victim. This person may or may not harbor delusions that the victim is in love with, or meant for, them. CELEBRITY stalking is a common example. The third major type is erotomanic stalking where the offender suffers psychosis and delusions that the victim is in love with them.
There are things that a person can do when faced with a stalking situation. Stalking can be dangerous and unpredictable, therefore it is important to contact the local authorities, keep evidence of the stalking incidents, consider getting a court order, tell your loved ones, seek support, and always trust your instincts. If you would like to learn more about stalking and how to protect yourself, please contact us to speak with a caring and competent attorney in your area.
Source:
Law Offices of Grech & Firetag
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 14, 2008
at 1:44 am
Pippy I know just what you mean. An owner of a charity should not degrade the person she is supposed to be promoting which she did in many different ways. You said you have plenty to say and you are welcome to voice your thoughts and concern here anytime. This blog was created for open and honest discussions.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 14, 2008
at 4:07 am
To All, It is very scary that these folks can and will use the information they gather when you leave a comment or not leave a comment as in my case. You know when it happended to me I talked with someone who does have access to certain programs that will give alot of information. He said that these programs are designed for police/government work, but you never know that they could get in the hands of someone that shouldn’t have them and use them to hurt people. I really believe that it should be easier for people to report internet abuse. It seems to happen alot and you are really on your own as far as defending yourself against these types. There are as far as I know, no laws on the books to handle such problems at this time. These people are bully’s and should be punished for what they do, if I were to do that to someone in my neighborhood I would be arrested and charged as such. I was intimadated by what happened to me, can you imagine what a young person being stalked,bullied or harassed goes through? What was done to Taylor and Cl was a terible thing, yet it was allowed to continue for how many months, then that rag magazine got involved and gave it more internet press. It was like no one could stop this group. I have seen some blogs forced to close down because of content but that one just kept going. How that was allowed to happen I’ll never understand.
Freedom of press is one thing, being allowed to put in print something that is purely a vendetta is just wrong.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 14, 2008
at 5:50 am
Internet stalking is well-thought out by a person(s) having a pre-determined “victim.” On the easier side a stalker is simply a troll that has severely attached themself to an individual/group of people or cause. On the worst side, they are boring, mean, cowards and bullies.
An offline stalker can be a serious predator, who uses the internet to pursue a real or imagined vendetta and has another perverted agenda.
Hate blogs stem from individuals that may fall into both categories above. They can be extremely dangerous and will stop at nothing that will halt the continuance of fighting for their invisible “cause.” Stalkers twist and make everything personal.
By: StayingPower on October 14, 2008
at 1:55 pm
StayingPower, That is some pretty scary stuff you write about. It is a shame nothing can really be done. I see some groups that fall right into the online stalkers/harassers. It really is sad that people have to put up with this. Talking about it seeing that others go through it makes it a little easier. What happened to me is nothing compared to what some have gone through.
By: jerseyirish on October 14, 2008
at 2:50 pm
I’m liking this thread a lot and appreciate all of the intelligent and well thought out comments.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 14, 2008
at 7:01 pm
BHG, Didn’t think I had much to offer, but I realized that what happened really did fall into what this was all about. This is a healthy discussion wish more would join in, maybe nothing will change, but for me the information given here has been very helpful in understanding alot of what goes on. Thank you.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 14, 2008
at 7:53 pm
Love this topic. Very germaine. Hoping this issue comes to the legislature in a calm way – or they’ll jump the shark and make the usual muddle of trying to fix it. And I think it needs to address a third party revealing real life information on a second party. I wish law enforcement could more readily get involved in the remedy this violation of the law.
Chicken and egg question – does the internet attract stalkers, or encourage the development of stalkers, or both?
By: TaylorDays on October 14, 2008
at 8:55 pm
The internet can be good and it can be bad. I guess there are pretty much, two sides to a coin. With good comes the bad. I know that the internet allows people, like STALKERS, to hide behind their screen names and also allows them entree to a feast, those hungry heathens. I know of stories about MYSPACE and teens being hunted by perverts and many have been assaulted, raped, kidnapped or even murdered. Many close calls.
It just makes it easier for them to use their “control” that is described in their description. For instance, some are great manipulators. They can be dumb as hell but when it comes to the manipulations and con jobs, they excel.
I had to laugh at a blog where someone there is pretending to have a realtionship with a celebrity and the funny part of it all, she used to post AS HIM on a fansite. People got wise to it and called her out. That was before she found new interest in stalking and harassing fans in other ways. It was told that she is pretending to be someone else to get herself out of a previous post from that person. Manipulating people over there and they fall for it and yet they all think they are so clever. She is actually fooling them.
She is referring to this blog and thinks she knows who owns it, SORRY CHARLIE. She has been known to be obsessed with two particular women. Two of which post here. They don’t own this blog. It really doesn’t matter what she or her clan think. It is a charade. When the curtain closes, they have to go back to being who they really are. Most, unfortunately, are living two completely seperate lives. Anyone realize that serial killers seem normal and even after they are caught, they describe the grotesque murders as if they were describing a movie. Like it wasn’t them at all. STARRANGE! OOPS, got chill bumps.
We posted this topic because these kinds of people are more visible as people are made aware. Even though we want topics to be pleasant and enjoyable, there are times when we must face the dark sides of life from time to time. I have the best of wishes for those trying to be fans for Taylor. It is a shame that he began being stalked early on. Such a kind and nice man. Yes, he is also a party man too, but that is what we love about him. He is just so universal. He is not a goody two shoes and yet he is the kind of person that you could trust with your darkest secrets. Such a shame that he has been used this way.
Remember, those that stalk, obsess and harass are relentless in their pursuits. They spend countless hours on the internet planning and plotting. People that have been convicted of stalking are watched. They could even be on probation. Going back to jail would MAYBE be a reason for them to ease up. They go on a frenzy and are unpredictable. YIKES, I am scaring myself.
By: silverslipper on October 15, 2008
at 12:55 am
Hello Everybody,
I took a nap and now going to the blogs I enjoy and I do enjoy this one! My appreciation to the blog owner for what seems to be quite a lot of freedom to speak on all kinds of topics. Thanks.
As women and I assume most of us are who’ve posted, being stalked is scary as hell and very dangerous NO doubt? I really never even thought about Internet or cyber stalking until I experienced it several months back. Believe me, when a woman has underaged children, she has to be VERY cautious. Personal and private info on one website may not constitute worry, but on another, like blogs and fan sites, it could be VERY dangerous. As far as I was concerned, the situation for ME was VERY dangerous.
Most of the information these stalkers published online, wasn’t correct in fact, thank goodness, but phone numbers, personal names, photos, that kinda thing is called, according to my lawyer, Terrorist Internet Stalking. That scared the hell out of me, just hearing what it’s called. What these stalkers thought to do of course was to harm me personally. I have transcripts on them all which were turned over to my lawyer, he handled it the rest of the way, to my great relief and he got the offending information taken off a major blog/website and in fact, the HUGE thread was closed or my lawyer would have filed suit. The other was a blog too, but this person has about three of four others and she’s major in the stalker world. OMG.
But lets face it, most women can’t afford lawyers! I just happen to have one due to one of businesses I own, which requires his services. THANK GOD.
You know, I don’t think women stalkers realize what they do when they publish personal names, phone numbers, photos without the permission of the person, like that would happen? I doubt it. But you get what I’m saying here? The worst thing is, these women don’t believe they ARE stalking! It IS stalking, envasion of privacy and all kinds of other legal things.
On another note, I have many friends in the SP (love ‘um) and they’ve been supportive to me, I appreciate that if you’all are reading this message (I’ve recommended this blog to them) While I don’t know who some of your screen names are, I can see you’re sincere and supportive fans of Taylors and that’s a relief!
Several days ago, a SP friend of mine sent me her (every other day) emails with comments from a website on the net that’s the shoot off of MFOYA. Remember that place? OMG. Who could forget it? While I’ve not thought of that hell hole in quite some time, nor the guy and his groupies who ran it, the email confirmed that when one tries to get to MFOYA, it’s no longer available? That was some of the best news I’ve heard since it was formed, what? 2007, after Taylor’s vacation? I think so. Anyway, can someone confirm or not? Just wondering. I do know of course that Orphans still exist. Anyone know?
Well, thanks for all the important information! Great reading, scary, but important to all of us. Better hurry though, I’ve been online to long now, oops, there’s Taylor calling me back, gotta go! Men!!
By: Jeanni on October 15, 2008
at 3:12 am
OMG….The harassers/fanatics and stalkers are following the hell out of me. I am sick of it. Please keep them away from me here. I don’t know if you allow the F word from time to time…so I will just say this…THEY ARE F’ING OBSESSED WITH ME! It is actually worse than that. It is probably one damn person with 15 names…I guess one or two are ok…just biatches…but other than that…these women are mean as hell…and one of them has ADMITTED to being a damn stalker. SHITAKE! Do I need to purchase a bullet proof vest?
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 15, 2008
at 4:09 am
Jeanni, I don’t know of any other site other than morph’s that is a spin off of mfoya’s, didn’t know another one exsisted.
Hopefully legislation will be passed to do something to protect innocent people on the net. I know I have seen the terrible things publishing phone numbers addresses it is just wrong. There has got to be something they can do to stop it. I don’t know how much information that an ip address gives, but it must be enough that these people work it to their advantage. I don’t understand why ip addresses need to show up. Most places people post you have to sign in with an e-mail that should be sufficient. I know people do use phony e-mails and that is their choice. I know with my own kids when they were younger it was a constant fear for me that they would somehow get caught up and lured into something, thank goodness that has never happened. We talk alot about the internet and the dark side, both are fully aware of the sickos out there they have seen for themselves and steer clear of any sites that make them uncomfortable.
I wish I knew more about computers and their workings but I just don’t I am very naive when it comes to all of this, but talking here has been a good thing. Again thank you.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 15, 2008
at 9:52 am
Jeanni it’s unbelievable that someone would post your personal information online like that. I’m glad you have access to such a good lawyer that he was able to get it removed an that huge thread you are talking about shut down. You said your lawyer called it Terrorist Internet Stalking, just the sound of that is frightening, especially now when terrorism is taken very seriously and I bet it carries a pretty stiff penalty if proven.
CBB, you can feel free to use the F word if you feel the need. I know we all do at times. LOL
I don’t allow any harrassment of posters on my site. You don’t have to worry. People are free to speak their opinions here nicely, but the finger pointing, name calling, harrassment and he said she said stuff is for other places.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 15, 2008
at 10:32 am
Here is some information I just found about cyberstalking and the law surrounding it in the state of California.
In recent years stalkers have seized on the anonymity of the Internet to commit their crimes. This has added a new dimension because many victims of cyberstalking don’t know the identity of the stalkers. That can make the fear more palpable and prosecution more unlikely.
The fact that cyberstalking doesn’t involve physical contact doesn’t mean it is any less dangerous than “real life” stalking. It’s not difficult for an experienced Internet user to find enough of the victim’s personal information, such as phone number or place of business, to establish his or her physical location.
The reality is that any type of stalking can lead to a physical attack if the situation is not properly dealt with as soon as possible.
California Law
In California, both criminal and civil laws address stalking. According to the criminal laws, a stalker is someone who willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another (victim) and who makes a credible threat with the intent to place the victim or victim’s immediate family in fear for their safety. The victim does not have to prove that the stalker had the intent to carry out the threat. (California Penal Code 646.9, http://www.leginfo.ca.gov)
The criminal penalty for stalking is imprisonment up to a year and/or a fine of up to $1,000. There are more severe penalties when the stalker pursues the same person in violation of a court restraining order, with a sentencing range of two to four years imprisonment. Persons convicted of felony stalking also face stricter penalties if they continue to stalk their victim(s). Courts may issue restraining orders to prohibit stalking. (California Family Code 6320)
A victim, family member or witness may request that the California Department of Corrections, county sheriff or the director of the local department of corrections notify them by phone or mail 15 days before a convicted stalker is released from jail or prison. The victim, family member or witness must keep these departments notified of their most current mailing address and telephone number. The information relating to persons who receive notice must be kept confidential and not released to the convicted stalker. (California Penal Code 646.92) The court may order a person convicted of felony stalking to register with local law enforcement officials within 14 days of moving to a city and/or county. (California Penal Code 646.9)
A victim of stalking may bring a civil lawsuit against the stalker and recover money damages. (See Civil Code 1708.7 for the elements and remedies of the tort of stalking.)
Victims may also request that the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) suppress their automobile registration and driver’s license records from being released to persons other than court and law enforcement officials, other governmental agencies or specified financial institutions, insurers and attorneys. (California Vehicle Code 1808.21, 1808.22)
When stalking occurs in the workplace, an employer can request a temporary restraining order or an injunction on behalf of the employee who is a victim of stalking. (California Code of Civil Procedure 527.8)
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs14-stk.htm
By: brownhairedgirl on October 15, 2008
at 10:33 am
BHG, Just went and checked NJ and there is a bill waiting to be passed on cyber stalking/harassing. I also went and checked the for a Federal law, it says it is on hold as the Senator who introduced it is no longer a Senator, thats just crazy that it would be dropped and not looked further into. The Calif law seems to cover it pretty good. It is a shame that people need to get lawyers involved because this stuff gets out of control.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 15, 2008
at 11:05 am
Jersey I hope they do get that bill passed, with so many people in online communities now they will need to find ways to make sure people are protected.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 15, 2008
at 12:28 pm
It won’t be long before every state will have very strict laws and people that stalk will be in jail a very long time with a felony for sure. The problem with these types of people are that when they get out of jail, they do it over again from what I have read, just like a rapist. They can’t stop. Serial killers can stop for a while and then they start back up again. They actually plot and plan their attacks.
I had a stalker when I was dating this guy and he actually kidnapped me. I talked my way out of what could have been a bad bad situation. My Dad went over and beat him up.
He skipped out of state before the police got there. My Dad thought he would and took care of business before he called the police. I was worried for my Dad but only because the man was a sicko. When he had kidnapped me, he hit my head on the console of the car and made it bleed. My Dad made sure he bled. LOL! Police came to my home about a month later looking for him, as he was wanted in several states for all kinds of things. They wanted to know if he had contacted me. I was so scared that he would come back but my Dad said he doubted it after what he told him. I can only imagine.
I know those of you reading might be curious, so let me tell you how he got me. I was at a male friend’s house that had been my best guy friend for 10 years since elementary school. I was there to discuss the guy that kidnapped me because I had feared that he might pull something and I did not feel safe. I kept thinking that he was looking in the window of his house. I was right. My friend walked me out to my car and watched me pull off. About two blocks away and still in his subdivision, he jumped on the hood of my car and my window was cracked. He jammed his hand in to unlock the door. Looking back, I should have just sped off but, he could have hurt me more by grabbing my neck or something.
The words that got me released from him, was that I would marry him. It took alot of convincing, but he fell for it. I told him I would go home and pack a bag and we could elope. My Dad wore a blonde wig and slumped down in my car and went to meet him. He did not catch on that it was my Dad until it was too late. I don’t think he ever got caught. He moved to California and that is all I know. He was a really handsome man and well spoken. You can never tell. I did have a bad feeling though. You have to go on instinct.
By: silverslipper on October 15, 2008
at 9:57 pm
SS I can’t imagine going through something so terrifying. I’m glad your dad kicked his ass!
By: brownhairedgirl on October 15, 2008
at 10:27 pm
BHG and JerseyIrish,
Yes, it was very alarming what I had to deal with. When my lawyer requested the information from me that was posted on these blogs, I was fortunate that friends of mine copied it and sent it in file form. I didn’t EVEN know it! I don’t go to those blogs and never had! Without naming one of them, it was where Taylor’s vacation photos first appeared. The blog postings went on for over a year! I couldn’t even get on the blog when I was alerted to what had happened. They even had photos and websites of someone in my family and made claims about who this person was, that was false. It was an invastion of my personal life and had endangered me personally and that of my children… to put it mildly.
The other blog was owned by a woman whose well known in Taylor Hicks circles as someone who craves attention. She gets it by venting her anger at TH fans by pertending to be one. She uses many TH influenced screen names, joined TH fan sites! She’s a regular member of MFOrphans and owns at least three blogs which are aimed at embarrassing and humiliating Taylor and his fans.
One of those had posters by screen names I had seen before and two of them were asking for MY personal info and photos, etc., that was STALKING. My lawyer was ready to file law suits against these people because I knew who they were. He did not contact them at my request, but he did contact the proper authorities and one of the blogs was deleted. The other HUGE blog was LOCKED and the info taken off.
Sorry to say that today, I’m still being stalked on the internet by certain people whose agenda’s are well known. They have obsessed over me and my sister and followed us no matter where we go. Tonight, I finally gave up a blog I had previously enjoyed because of the baiting, insulting and contant bashing by these two people, one I know quite alot about due to my lawyers investigation and the other I feel is someone whose stalked me in the past as well. Its a shame, but this type of thing goes on.
Glad to be in a friendly place. I won’t go where I am unfairly insulted for nothing. Yes, I discuss topics that are news among the fans. I repeat this again for you’all to know. I never repeat anything unless it’s been already quoted, just like a newspaper or TV station would. They wrote it, made it public, so it’s out there in their own hand and words. I suggest if one doesn’t want it discussed, they shouldn’t write it and make it public on the Internet or on a public blog. Not very smart. Don’t you wonder why they complain? They already have insulted Taylor and his fans in PRINT, yet they don’t want it discussed? They need to get a job and stay off the Internet, think how nice that would be to be devoid of that type of negative behavior? Oh my.
Thanks for all the information, its amazing what the laws say isn’t it? Does that keep these people from doing it? Its still going on, daily. Take care all.
By: Jeanni on October 16, 2008
at 2:56 am
SS, That is a terrible story, what you must have gone through, I’m gathering you must have been late teens early 20’s when that happened which makes it harder because you were young. Dad’s have a way of taking care of business don’t they?
Jeanni, They just don’t stop do they? You would think after getting a lawyer involved they would. I truly feel for you and your sister, no one deserves what you two go through with the harassing that goes on. I don’t care how many disagreements folks have the stalking and harassing is just wrong. Hopefully someday it will become a crime harssing/stalking on the internet. I guess people do it because there are no consequences for their actions now.
Have a good one.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 16, 2008
at 5:46 am
Jeanni I’ve seen what’s happened to you in other places and read the posts you’re talking about, atleast some of them. The amount of harrassment you and also your sister have taken at the hands of others who we all know but will remain nameless, is inexcusable. I promise that it won’t be allowed here. You have a safe place to come to and I’m glad you’re here.
Jersey I hope the stalking laws go into effect too.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 16, 2008
at 11:58 am
OH Jeanni…I just thought of something. I know this for sure, baby…When someone has been convicted of a crime…and they continue to do it…same crime…and they get prosecuted AGAIN…it is BABYE! SEEYA…DON’T WANTA BE YA! ADIOS AMIGO…TOOTLELOO! DON’T LET THE JAIL DOOR HIT YA ON THE BUTT…HANDCUFF CITY…REPUTATION ZERO AND REMEMBER THIS…three strikes and you are GONE FOR LIFE. If they have had two things against the law and charged for it…and this is strike three…??? OMG! I guess some are just risk takers. I think if I was one of those someones…I would watch my ass. Don’t forget that Jeanni…you have the easy button. CLICK~
SAD SAD STORIES…all about kidnappings and people being stalked and mistreated against their wills…invasion of privacy…this is just something I never expected when I watched a little show on TV that kept getting better reviews and on Season Five…I found Taylor…and found his fans…and then my eyes were opened widely. Lots of mean and sick people in this world…PSYCHOS! I will never forget those that stayed friends…and all my new and wonderful friends…now, that made it worth it all!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 16, 2008
at 1:54 pm
Jersey and BHG,
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. I know I’m not perfect and in anger, I’ve probably said some things I shouldn’t have said. I think we all do at one time or another? While I have excuses, I’ve purposely stayed away from the negative, but sometimes, It just won’t work when one has these types obsessing and following me and yes, Cbb no matter where we go.
Those who do these things don’t believe they can be found out, but they can and have have been. If it weren’t for my friends within the SP wending me page after page of dangerous comments and serious implications towards the safety of myself, my family and my life in general, I never would have known about it.
I don’t habitate on THOSE blogs, so how the dickens would I have known had it not been for their assistance or google alerts? I wouldn’t until the reprocussion of their stalking me surfaced? I went directly to my lawyer due to the massive amount of proof towards the stalking. What a dangerous mess that was. It was handled in the right way, I gave it all over to him.
For over a year, I’ve had several or more people who’ve had a dangerous agenda and they’ve made it their goal to come to TH blogs where I post. They are obsessed with me and yes, CBB who also posts here. I frankly believe some of it goes back to MFOYA and that blog owners witch hunt of Taylor and Caroline. That was horrible. I respect Taylor not commenting about it, that’s the way it should have been handled. MFOYA was relentless in their stalking. Those who participated are as guilty as the owner was. Not that there was just one owner, but the ring leader had his followers who were his staff if you will?
Stalking is a crime, no matter how one looks at it. Certain people think that when they give out or ask for information about other people ONLINE that its not stalking, but it is. Then when it’s posted on blogs where thousands of people post messages, its equally dangerous, VERY much so. There awre laws covering that, so as for me and Cbb, we did what we were supposed to do and it was taken care of.
We still have several or more obsesssed people who follow us around, who constantly badger us, twisting the truth and of whom are hypocrites. They implicate themselves by what they write, they obviously don’t give a damn, but I do. So, I’ve decided to stay away from even the most favorite blogs where I’ve spent time, becuase they are there. Its not in my best interest to comment to these people, they won’t stop with the baiting and arguments. I’ve been advised to stay as far away from them as possible and Cbb as well. Thanks for your concern and sorry for the difficulties some of you have had in that regard, its pretty damned horrible isn’t it? Take care all!
By: Jeanni on October 16, 2008
at 4:54 pm
SORRY for all the errors in my message, DRATS. Glad it won’t be graded, uhhh, hope not! HEE HEE.
By: Jeanni on October 16, 2008
at 5:05 pm
jeanni? It is getting worse. They say people with real mental problems as mentioned in the descriptions of a stalker do a kind of downward spiral…then explode. They fantasize and or manipulate others into believing their made up stories about what people like us have and have not done. Do you think that they really believe what they write? Are they that far gone? When I say fantasize…I don’t mean in a good or healthy way. I have read where people that commit crimes as in stalking or murder or terrorizing people, actually kind of go into a dream phase. This phase is purely psychotic. Like they see it first before they actually do it…or, they do it and are actually looking at themselves like in a movie…kind of like they are outside watching their ownselves…and then when they are finished for the time being…they have no guilt. I think because they displace their own reality. These people are so damned dangerous. IN YOUR FACE dangerous. Sometimes after being sent a message of a post or two…I am shocked…and get a chill up my spine…cause they are actually talking about YOU and ME, jeanni. Threats too. So, something needs to be done at this point. I am finished with this kind of behavior and intimidation…whether they can help it or not. I will discuss in private what my plans are in getting some relief from this psychopathic lunatic.
I want everyone’s opinion. If a person admits that they are a criminal. Admits what they were convicted of. Serves their time. Puts it on the internet for all to see and it is supposedly some kind of confession. Then, this same person not only has been doing the very thing that she admits to having been convicted of…but, continues to do it more and more, escalating like a volcano about to erupt. Also, admits that she is going to do this same crime to Taylor? On the internet? On a blog? The same blog that she admits to having been arrested on. My lord, do these sorts of people have any touch with reality? As usual, I am not naming names…I could, as it is written for all to see in black and white…and in CAPS…What are the opinions of this kind of behavior to all of you? People that are out of touch with reality are dangerous and scarey people and are capable of just about anything.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 17, 2008
at 12:50 am
It is very sad what goes on. I think part of this legislation needs to read limit the information a blog owner can attain when someone posts, there is no need for one’s IP address to appear. A friend of mine that is in law enforcement told me the programs they have that can track ip’s will give them the exact address where the ip comes from. That might be part of the problem that someone has beef with someone and gets in with the blog owner and they give the ip out and they have access to certain programs that will give them more information then they should have. When someones personal info is put up on the net without their knowledge that is a crime in itself and no one should have to go through that. I hope Jeanni and CBB get some relief from all of this, it is so disruptive to have to constantly worry like they do, especially when they involve ones family.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 17, 2008
at 5:58 am
Some scary stories (emphathetic to everyone above) didn’t even realize how SICK stalkers really are. You’d be surprised at the number of delusional people in the world. Obiously they lack the ability, or desire, to practice any self or re-evaluation of themselves. It’s crazy that they wander through life spending inordinate amounts of time stalking others, it makes them feel BIG!
Dreams can be another culprit of why stalkers do what they do
Maybe they didn’t make the cut on a high school team, didn’t win a contest, wasn’t the prettiest, the tallest or a person with a magnetic personality? They dream of negativity and things that didn’t pan out for them in life. They really hate themselves, therefore they are unaware of what they do and will never recognize their psychotic behavior.
What drives these people to delude themselves so greatly? Is it lack of reality or is it just a way to get through the days? Do they stalk out of desperation? Wouldn’t they be better off working towards an attainable goal? OH, to do that one must leave the internet
By: StayingPower on October 17, 2008
at 2:07 pm
Cbb and all…
It blows my mind! It can actually be very funny to read the comments some of these people write, when they KNOW they post personal and private information on blogs like Splash, Taylor Hicks Fans Are Crazy, DAH, Orphans and others. Heck, as you know, I wouldn’t have known what their agenda was till copies of what they wrote were sent to me, warning me of a massive invasion of my privacy and it clearly was!!
I see denial due to their guilt. I wanted them to STOP…it was a cruel thing for these people to do. I know who they are. Some of them own blogs and I’ve never been involved with them on those blogs. Right now, I have about four who constantly insult me on blogs and still publish my messages and personal information on the Internet. Of course we know several of them have followed us to annoy and accuse us, no matter WHERE we go.
Here’s an excerpt from a message I read today, it proves my point…
“All sides are claiming they are being terrorized and stalked by one another. While one stalker is stalking the other stalker is stalking too. Haha! They should get into the stalkers ring and duke it out. Hehe. It’s so ridiculous.” – -
This person obviously didn’t take the time to ask ME what happened. That’s because this person has continued to insult me on a daily basis on a blog along with her cohort who does the same thing. Of course they both know what was on the Internet and who placed it there. They make it seem like a joke? It’s not a joke.
I’m not interested in all the fan wars people talk about, I think its childish and needs to stop. However, I’m realistic enough (from this experience) to know there is a faction out there with a ring leader whose mentioned aboue. She’s part of Orphans Blog and I believe her inflence has harmed the fan bases. Its a shame that’s happened. I can’t imagine a person whose a fan of one entertainer and yet she’s dedicated her time to embarrassing and bashing another entertainer and his fan base… and of whom spends all her time doing what she does? Crazy.
By: Jeanni on October 17, 2008
at 5:41 pm
Hello Everybody,
On a lighter note, anyone know if Taylor has arrived in France yet? Oh boy!
By: Jeanni on October 17, 2008
at 5:44 pm
Ya know, BHG…it is not just us (My sister and I). We don’t claim to be in the winner’s circle. Others are being treated unfairly too and raked over the coals. Right now, someone is threatening one of my cronies. She doesn’t post here, that I know of. However, I think not only are you right about the loss of privacy but the piracy and disrespect for honest people that when you tell them something, it isn’t going to get leaked. I kinda like to call those people snitches. All I can say is don’t be paranoid…but watch your back.
Every rose has it’s thorn!
How about we ignore their rants and threats…as…quite honestly, it is all just boring…and let’s GET THIS PARTY STARTED…….START US UP ON A FUN THREAD!!!!!!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 17, 2008
at 9:22 pm
RIGHT ON, Jersey……Aren’t you sick of it too? I have restrained from degrading myself anymore stooping to their level by trying to explain or responding…and now…I am ready to have more fun…cause I can’t wait for Taylor’s club and his tour…and most of all, his new CD.
We are all aware of what is going on. Thanks to blogs like this one. We are each other’s witnesses…we can see it clear as day…and there is nothing anyone can say to change the facts. Especially when the facts are self inflicted. Gee. HAHA! It amazes me. Hurt me Hurt me! LOL!
Let’s have a party!
I am wound up. Where is everyone?
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 17, 2008
at 9:28 pm
Cbb I do agree with you. I’m tired of all the crap too and it’s time to move on. I am glad we’ve all shared our feelings and thoughts and got it out of our systems. I think it’s time to celebrate Taylor and not worry about those who aren’t worthy of our time. The Grease tour starts soon and I can’t tell you how excited I am.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 17, 2008
at 10:42 pm
Stayingpower, you have written a very interesting post with a new slant. I think you are right-on about the delusional part but to answer your question with my opinion, they do set goals. I think that they set evil and manipulative goals, which are often referred to as “premeditated”.
Spending those countless hours pleasuring themeselves with sick ideas, filling the holes of their decayed minds and missing out on life. You can feel sorry for them, but you can’t relate to them nor understand them. It is like playing the opposite game. If you think you should say something to them, you probably should say the opposite to them instead. Sometimes, there is nothing that will appease them. They refuse all attempts to be reasoned with but join in with other misfits. Then, they belong. This fuels their fire and they feel more power. Ultimately, they become more brave and brazen with a marked extreme amount of audacity. Of course, this is an opinion of mine and yet, I think we are all feeling the same way.
Jeanni, Sounds like the one that you quoted, is in fact a stalker or at least it seems that way. I think I have read some of this person’s posts on a blog. It is continually the topic. MF was always about “making fun”. I think that most of those on the fansites for Taylor that were there for the right reasons found this despicable. Yet, this is what this person is doing. It is fine to joke around, don’t get me wrong on this, but, when they, themselves, are obsessed with those that they state are obsessed? WHEW!
I have always thought that allowing troubled people to rant and go off on regular folks, is not right. I am all about the fun too and agree that we are going to continue to discuss this topic but do want to have a thread where we can laugh a little too. It is so actual and so real that this is a topic that needs to be discussed. Just by the amount of hits that we are getting, we realize that this topic has been important. Thanks to you all for your posts!
By: silverslipper on October 17, 2008
at 10:56 pm
Funny, BHG, we posted at the same time with the same thoughts. I wanted to answer Jeanni’s question, is Taylor in France? Does anyone know?
Jeanni, I am sure someone will answer that one and I am hoping that some new friends will be here soon and with information on this subject. I was sent a message that several are heading our way.
By: silverslipper on October 17, 2008
at 11:00 pm
I heard he was in France. I hope he has fun and gets some relaxation in before starting his Grease tour.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 17, 2008
at 11:04 pm
ooh la la!!!!!! France! Romantic place to work. This is gonna be GOOOOOOD! Hey, people fall in love in France. He better watch out…he might have a spell cast on him by some beautiful woman with an accent.
BOOHOO…and never come back? NOPE…no love Taylor!!! hahahahahahahaha! 
He can have a few rendeavous!!!! 
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 18, 2008
at 12:30 am
Hello Everybody,
I agree with you. Those who have agenda’s and use multiple screen names, bash TH fans, literally cause major issues everywhere, to hell with them! I’m sure as hell sick of it, sick to death of it. I hate the expression “move on” because of the way it was used on a TH fansite, but its really funny to me now! Add that one to “GOT THAT?” LMAO.
Taylor is doing very well, so many great things going on! Lets talk about it, lets report it to everyone. I’m ready!! Have a great weekend!
By: Jeanni on October 18, 2008
at 12:59 am
OH and thanks! I thought he would be in France by now. Haven’t had time to head to the boards. Thanks!
By: Jeanni on October 18, 2008
at 1:01 am
Hey Everyone, Glad to see you still get the Taylor talk in. Hope all goes well for him in France. This is such a dark place in the internet world stalking/harassing. You don’t actually know who you are dealing with, what sparks their anger and what the end result could be. I stay away like all of you from places I’m not sure of. I know this goes back to way before I was around, never was on the BB and other places. When personalities clash it can get very ugly. I know the reason you stick around is you truley believe in Taylor and his career, and want to share in his accomplishments in a positive way. I give you alot of credit for that, you believe in him enough to put up with the dark side and keep a postive attitude towards him. Looks like it should be a nice weekend, enjoy!!!
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 18, 2008
at 6:35 am
Well I will pray for this individual, I have a friend that knew her well and the crimes in question happened in Oregon not California and I do not know the law up in that neck of the woods. But to go from New Orleans, to Oregon, and now California guess some are on the move for some reason or another.
Also if it was not a Felony why would you not be able to go after regular employment, instead of launching charities after the whole kids activity book thing never came to be a success. There is nothing wrong with starting your own businesses our country will prosper in that regard and it is what will really save today’s economy.
Please come up with some ideas on your own; instead of seeing others in the fanbase launch something and then do the same with a different spin. Yes it is scary this person has delusions if you clock there posting times online they are obbsessed with the internet and they are online constantly, when they have time for their business ventures is beyond me.
How about a date, catch a movie once in a while, crap your in California go to the beach and get a freakin TAN!! I mean to live somewhere for almost or over a year within 15 minutes from Hollywood Blvd and just never go is a bit on the loony side if you ask me.
So is, claiming you are totally straight but have another woman support you for that amount of time also. My friend stepped on this person’s toes within the fanbase and this person was not so happy about that, she wanted to be the all knowing and news getting in regards to Taylor Hicks even if she had only been in his presence once out by a bus after a concert or two…so my friends access really got to her, from hanging with him for four days in Palm Springs, to the backstage laughs at the Alabama music hall of fame, to Marty’s that same weekend, and much more. So she tried to sabatage my friends association with Taylor with false undercover emails to Taylor’s camp and his friends but they all saw right through that and maybe she did not know this but Taylor’s camp are well aware of the fan wars and take it all in with a grain of salt.
So my friend was assured not to worry and still has access, offers, and other things relanted to Taylor. It is sad too…because my friend really liked this individual until she was stabbed in the back…and no matter what you post online my friend has heard from your own lips that in your mind “Chickaboom” is Taylor. I will pray for you and I hope one day you awake from your fantasy, put down the laptop or should I say Laptops and go live “YOUR LIFE” in whatever capacity that will be!!!LOL
By: Sickandtired on October 18, 2008
at 12:19 pm
Thanks for posting sickandtired. I have heard some stories of the one who shall remain nameless that happened behind the scenes too. This person is a psycho and will bully, harass, and threaten a person but if you say one tiny thing about her she starts talking about her lawyer. Give me a break! What I don’t understand is why Taylor? Why can’t she move on to someone or something else.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 18, 2008
at 12:56 pm
Happy Saturday Everybody!
Beautiful day where I live! Great football weekend…my team won a BIG game, YAY! About to leave to celebrate the win and to watch the rest of the games at a sports bar.
Okay…quickly, as for the comments today? Very interesting. I learn something new every day, even though I’ve never been involved with any of that. I’m shaking my head. I have donated to the charities that Taylor Hicks endorses, along with the troops drive.both are excellent and well worth it. IF you don’t know about the ones Taylor endorses, you can check with any of the legit TH fansites and blogs. Maybe we can list them for those who come by? Have a great weekend everybody!
By: Jeanni on October 18, 2008
at 3:15 pm
Silverslipper – hate what you went through – no one should have to go through that.
Jeanni and CBB,have witnessed what you’ve gone through and never understood it. Have always enjoyed your posts as they are both intelligent and informative.
And Jeanni, would love to have a list of sanctioned charities.
By: TaylorDays on October 18, 2008
at 8:31 pm
PS: Jeanni hoping youhad a great time celebrating your team!
By: TaylorDays on October 18, 2008
at 8:32 pm
I hate to say anything negative again…I know we are wanting the fun to start back up, I am one that loves the funside, always have. But, I have to tell you all that jeanni and I are being harassed and threatened AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN all the way up to today/tonight.
I am so pleased to know that many of you here are witnessing this as many have sent me those threats. It has been going on for so long that now, this person is about to really get herself in trouble. Having been convicted of this kind of crime in the past and continuing to do a similar thing, is not a wise move on her part. I am not going to allow it. As has been identified on all the information discussed on this thread…we all know how bizerk and psychotic one can be that exhibits these character flaws.
I have several stated threats and defamation/slanderous posts by her in my emails/pms/etc. sent to me from friends. I have intentionally stayed away from the chaos and this person’s postings as they were aimed at others as well and it is just so continual and crude. She lives and breathes to harass, threaten and act in a scary manner.
I just want all of you to know that if we need you, I know that you will all be there. Some have already told me that. I appreciate it. Some have contacted me either thru blogs, thru email, thru pm’s and on the phone. I do appreciate all of your thoughtfulness. If you see or hear anything that is aimed toward my sister and me by this vile individual, please find me on Tapp’s blog, and pm me there. I am just blondebabe there. I would appreciate it. If you do not have the link to Tapp’s blog…then, I am sure that it can be posted but only with the permission of BHG. I don’t go to HQ or BB much but can also be sent info there and will check there occasionally.
I can tell you that thru all of the stress of family illnesses, that I also feel threatened by this person not just for myself, or my sister but for my family. I have been getting hangups on my phone with private name/number and blocked numbers. I have made that call to my phone service provider to have those calls traced. They said NO PROBLEM. I will be filling out a police report at that time. Then, naturally the next step…and there may be many.
My sister and I are being discussed on another blog that is not considered a hate blog, but one that I actually used to visit frequently but left due to the bashing from a few that would not let up in a similar manner. They all see and read these outrageous posts by her and that was also sent to me, which I am glad that they said something. That was a great place to post that I enjoyed but, being followed and hounded made me leave. I also enjoyed the blog owner and really felt a bond with her. Too bad.
I still go to a place occasionally where the “girlfriends” hang but have, as I said, had many difficult months of illnesses in my family and don’t get around the fansites much anymore. My mother had a stroke last week. I have daughters and one was in the hospital and near death and that is when I went out of town a few weeks ago, and then went back into the hospital for surgery. My other daughter has been in and out of the hospital. I also have a critically ill aunt. I wasn’t going to mention this on any public forum, some know about it that I stay in personal contact with. However, that alone has made me concerned for their safety and health with someone that has a criminal background or so she says on a public blog. I have no doubts that it is the truth. I will not allow my mother to have another stroke or heart attack due to problems from someone acting out in a rage whether physically, mentally or verbally.
Many of you have read her confession and if not, there is information relating to it on this blog as it is mentioned on many blogs. I am NOT, let me say again, I AM NOT going to allow someone to put anyone in my family nor me in harms way. I never have and I never will. If it does not stop immediately, I am thru talking but will walk the walk.
Please forgive me for bringing this kind of thing up but I needed to publicly state my case. She states that she comes here to read. GOOD! This is not a threat but a WARNING. It is going to stop. I will use whatever means is available to me within the laws of this land to protect and defend those previously stated. There are plenty of things that I know about this person from others that know many more horrible things but I never would tell personal and confidential information, just want you all to know that there is more. Much more! The things that I know would make you all realize that things have been done and said that have been her doing… of which had NOTHING to do with me or my sister. It seems that her confession was my fault too? That is unbelievable. Obsurd and a LIE. I guess I started the War in Iraq too? I thank all of you for listening.
I also want to apoligize to BHG for taking up so much space on her blog. It is times like this when you know who your friend’s are…and you certainly know who your enemies are. Thanks again all!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 18, 2008
at 11:56 pm
CBB I admire the strength you have and feel bad for everything you’re going through in your family and on the internet. The harrassment/stalking is and has always been uncalled for and has gone far beyond the level that anyone should tolerate.
Feel free to post anything you want to post including links to Tapp’s forum.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 19, 2008
at 12:30 am
CBB – am so glad you seem to have this all in hand. Agree with you, something has to be done, if this nonsense does not stop. No one has the right to do to you what has been done. If I can help in any way, just let me know.
By: TaylorDays on October 19, 2008
at 2:32 am
CBB & Jeanni, You can count me in also, I think all of this is terrible. Since I am new to all of this I don’t know about pm’s haven’t been to Tapp’s site. But for fyi there was a post last night that something will happen this week to the sisters, just letting you know.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 19, 2008
at 10:25 am
It is plain old down right disgusting. I just had to catch up on some of these accusations because my computer was down or as it turned out, it was the fault of my provider. These are the facts and I want to stress that most know this but, clearly they are what can and can not be done.
If a person puts information, personal information, and even business information on the internet, it is done. I have never seen anyone put any information on the internet that said anything that was more than an opinion towards those that speak these inflamatory threats and those that have put their information out there.
In order to have slandered anyone, it would have had to have been false information that was stated. I read the “confession” and it seems that others were slandered. Also, the continued threats are real, I just read them. Obvious, real and intentional. I want to give an example:
If someone said that they thought I was a jailbird and did not say it was a fact, then I would be upset because I am not. There still would be no slander because it would have been their opinion. Had they said that I was for sure a jailbird (fact), then I could sue for slander or defamation of character. If it was said that I was a jailbird as a matter of fact and I WAS a jailbird then I have no leg to stand on. No slander or defamation of character. Because it is factual and actual and true.
If someone speaks the truth, you can not be slandering them. I have to chuckle at that thought. Funny, I got tickled at another blog where one has mimmicked the very one crying foul. Too bad I can’t lead you all there, but it was funny. If there is any humor in this kind of activity.
To tell you the truth and my opinion on this whole mess, is that the truth was coming out about this person all the time. She was so rabid toward Taylor but yet built her financial life around him. Not a good promotion for her business I would think. Can you just hear a child say, “I thank you for this Taylor inspired instrument, but didn’t you say that you did not like his CD?” That would be funny! Then she might teach the child that it is okay to have an opinion, of which she displays all over the internet. Yet, she cast stones to those individuals who have merely had that, an opinion. Hipocrit.
I would not think that anything would materialize in the final analysis other than someone possibly being barred from having a successful business or charity of this sort. It could become a very public outing if they continue. I agree that there are many accusations that are false as I happen to know a few people myself that have interesting stories to tell. We get information on this board but prefer not to post it all. I guess we could at a later date? I think someone should think, just think, and they will realize that they are their own worst enemy. I am sorry for the mess that this angry person has caused many people. The truth is just not there and the distortion is enormous. The connections are history and some never exsisted. So, time will tell, as she seems to like the term, tick tock tick tock. I would not want to continue if I were her. No way. I understand anyone that would be fed up and ready to make it stop.
By: silverslipper on October 19, 2008
at 1:39 pm
BY REBECCA KEISTER SUN CHRONICLE STAFF
Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:17 AM EDT
Advanced sales for the national tour of Grease, starring American Idol winner TAYLOR HICKS, are very strong and sales for Legally Blonde, which opened its national tour at the theater in September also were strong, he said.
http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2008/10/19/news/3793496.txt
By: Jeanni on October 19, 2008
at 4:44 pm
SS, You make very good points about slander, there is a very fine line how something is said. It must be very uncomfortable to go through something like this.
Jeanni, Great article, I think everyone knew Taylor would rake the bucks in outside of NY, he can really draw a crowd.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 19, 2008
at 5:47 pm
Want to have some fun? Have you ever thought about talking to a BOT? They visit websites, forums and blogs. They gather information, like a giant brain.
Well, you can talk to one. Have a little fun. It might freak you out or make you laugh, but let us know if it outsmarted you.
The Link:
http://www.jabberwacky.com/
By: silverslipper on October 20, 2008
at 1:34 am
SS I’m not sure the jabberbot outsmarted me or not. Our converstation made no sense at all.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 20, 2008
at 2:09 am
Loving that Grease is making for strong sales, not surprised, but great to hear.
By: TaylorDays on October 20, 2008
at 2:14 am
Loved hearing how well the sales are going for Grease, he has had such an impact on the show. To make a small part in the show the biggest draw now is amazing. The ticket sales show he is not loosing ground, he is gaining!!!
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 20, 2008
at 10:41 am
Taylor was just on E news. They usually repeat these shows, so be sure to watch again tonight. I just caught a glipmps, so he was with Kat McPhee and they both looked great. Ryan Seacrest said, Be sure to get out there and vote. I have no idea if this was in reference to the two of them or maybe it was about voting for the President. Ladies, Taylor Hicks looked really HAWT! You will want to tune in.
By: silverslipper on October 20, 2008
at 5:08 pm
The bot told me I was mean.
So, I told him that he was mean as well. He then told me that he liked to ask the questions. Wow, he must have had a tough day. He asked how old I was. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Real nosey little guy. I am suggesting that the bot, is a boy as that is what he told me. He guessed my age as 20. *cough* and I told him that I was impressed with his wisdom. BHG, I don’t know why you had a problem, maybe he is from Tennessee and gets my southern style. 
By: silverslipper on October 20, 2008
at 5:13 pm
I am gonna watch it fo sho. What time does it come on again? Anyone know? I think it comes on several times. That’s good…we can just watch and watch and watch. I do think one comes on at 11pm est. I am not sure though.
Katherine is beautiful but, Taylor is always HOT HOT HOT!
BOTS? Google bots? They seem to follow me around. jeanni gets followed a little more than I do.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 5:24 pm
7:00 PM E! News NR 7:30 PM The Daily 10 NR 8:00 PM The Girls Next Door TV-14 8:30 PM The Girls Next Door TV-14 9:00 PM Dr. 90210 TV-14 10:00 PM Dr. 90210 TV-14 11:00 PM E! News NR 11:30 PM Chelsea Lately NR
Schedule Above:
SO, the magic answer is 11 pm and I don’t know if that means in a certain time zone. There ya go!
By: silverslipper on October 20, 2008
at 5:34 pm
All I can think of is “Who Let The Dogs Out?”
Everybody havin’ a ball (Hah, ho, Yippie Yi Yo)
I tell the fellas “start the name callin’”
“Who Can Lock The Dogs Up?” Now where are these lyrics?
Thanks for the link Jeanni. When times are tough, the tough go see Taylor Hicks (or however this goes).
Or they can answer the email I just received:
i (yes small “i”) have a business proposal of 12.4.million contact me for more details on email: samuelphillips0012@
This could keep many people quite busy if they have too much time on their hands.
Corny is good, I’m trying to lighten up the mood. Hope CBB and Jeanni will at least smile. To the rest of us that have had experience with any unsavory individual(s) let’s just say we c’est la vie
By: StayingPower on October 20, 2008
at 5:54 pm
Thanks for the heads up on E! Cool.
By: TaylorDays on October 20, 2008
at 6:32 pm
Thanks for the info I’ll look for at 11:00
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 20, 2008
at 6:59 pm
Hey baby…I am smiling every single day. But, thanks for the push as I will remember to do more of it. See…I work like this…IF someone or something tries to bring me down…or other negative things…I face it. I embrace dealing with issues and or problems. So…it makes for a very happy person. Surley, it is horrible and the mistreatment of many along the way of other’s power trips…is not something to laugh at and it is real and it can be scary, embarrasing or cruel. BUT…it does not take the happiness out of me just because they lack good character.
I have a girlfriend, she has now moved…but, she would call me to go out with her because she said that I would make her have fun. I love a positive life. I will ruffle my tailfeathers from time to time…and I don’t mince words…however, I can be someone’s best friend…to many different people. I would not nor could not, by nature, go behind someone’s back or cause anyone UNDUE problems. Just not in me.
There are many lies which I haven’t responded to because I haven’t needed to. So many people can read what I have posted and if they doubted it…sooner or later, they realize that I knew what I was talking about or I never would have said it.
People that are guilty of things and are manipulators, try to flip their guilt and bad actions to make it look like others did it. I mean…BAD BAD BAD actions. Things that can NOT be undone. I don’t have the authority to nor am I willing to state what I do know. Scouts honor!
When I said that I don’t post or visit those sites including one’s website *except once… to compliment a video in order to make peace* and I never wrote anyone nor called anyone in Taylor’s family, management, friends or employees or etc. I have every right to contact webmasters or moderators or administrators if I have an issue but those are private and there are strict confidentiality guidelines that those mentioned can not disclose so, no one would know what I have or have not said to any of them. If a person of such authority breeches your rights to privacy, they could be sued.
I appreciate a woman like Taylor’s grandmother and have met her and she is adorable. My mother hit it off with her. She is a class act. No wonder Taylor adores her. But, not for a second would I do anything that was not ethical.
If I planned to do something, I would discuss it with people that I trusted and then I would research it and then I would analyze it…and my quick responses are not used if it is a serious matter but, well thought out. I learned that early on in life. So, even though I have some regrets in my life…there’s nothing that I can’t live with. Take for example the rebuilding of a friendship. This happened with Tappanga. Tapp is a great example. We battled for a while and she is a worthy apponent. HAHA! I really liked her before we did not get along. I really really like her now. I hope she comes to visit here. By the way, her forum address is… http://www.soulthing.net and I am sure she would love more members that are positive about Taylor.
Thanks for bringing me out of a bit of a shell. I have been in one due to some family issues/health and other rather obvious things.
OK…where is JerseyIrish…??? So she can tell me I am long winded. HAHAHAHA!~
I love your name, Stayingpower. Inspirational. I bet you are a motivator…am I right? See, encouragement is one of the nicest things that one can put in a blog like setting. You can’t see the people… or their expressions…the main reason smilies were created…but, when you can express encouragement, then you are a winner. I deem you a winner!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 6:59 pm
CBB, Not long winded just alot to say in a small space. I have heard from several people that have met Taylor’s Grandmother that she is a lovely lady class all the way. I am sure she is one of Taylors’s biggest cheerleaders, he does seem to melt when he mentions her. I am sure she is very special to him.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 20, 2008
at 7:31 pm
Hey Jersey…LOL…you know I was kidding you…right?
Yep…she is also pretty. She handles herself nicely and knows what to say and how to say it. You can tell by her demeanor, that she is a strong person…and I bet she is no push-over. I understand that she has been very successful. She certainly holds Taylor close to her heart, that is evident. I have seen her many times. The last time (in person) was in Orange Beach. Many people went up to her and talked to her…she welcomes it. In Mobile, which was the first time I saw/met her…she was introduced and people stood and applauded…she was not on the front row but about 5 rows back. She had a line of people that went down to meet her. My mother headed down…talked for a few minutes…then again, outside after the concert…our cab was late picking up our large group and she was also waiting on her ride. That is when my mother and she enjoyed a long conversation. She stated that Taylor was getting duded up and smelled rather nice and was headed out somewhere.
We had hoped that he would go to the Soul Kitchen but, he did not…however, Loren and also LMBO were there playing and we stayed LATE! After 3am. It was fun!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 7:56 pm
CBB, Yes I knew you were kidding. It must have been a nice night for all of you sounds like you had a great time. Your Mom must be a Southern lady just as Taylor’s Grandmother, that is probably why the conversation flowed so easily. She seems to be very friendly and talkative which makes it easy to apporach her. Too bad he didn’t go to the SoulKitchen that night it would have been nice, but you did get to see Loren and Limbo which must have been very enjoyable.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 20, 2008
at 8:25 pm
Uh, yeh, uh, yeh, Loren knocks my socks off.
hee hee~! I watched him play for hours. Know what? He sat down and talked to me on a bench up by the stage…Being a pianist myself…we discussed music and I told him that I love his style. I will be right back with a link…I think. He is amazing and I can’t believe that my sister and I missed one of his concerts here in Atlanta. I am sick. It was in July. Did not even hear about it. Guess who he played with? The Allman Brothers. SHITAKE! *passing out*
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 9:21 pm
http://www.lorengold.com/Home.html
He plays the kind of music that I love. Next link coming up.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 9:25 pm
http://www.myspace.com/lorengold
Check out some great music. Great talent. Memories of the tour and watching him play with Taylor. I WANT IT NOW!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 9:29 pm
BHG…..I am in spam jail…boo hoo…help please. I only put one link on at a time. hmmmm…YIKES, look who all is in here…scared, HELP HELP! hahahaha!
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 9:31 pm
LOL CBB I rescued you!
By: brownhairedgirl on October 20, 2008
at 10:32 pm
Cbb,
Thank God I’ve never been in that spam jail myself, not yet anyway! I’ll remember to not post a bunch of links though, LOL.
Loved hearing Loren play, oh my goodness! Wonder if he’ll have a band connection with Taylor when he takes to the road again? They sure did sound remarkable together. Don’t think I’ll ever forget those two on The View. Hmmmm yeah!
By: Jeanni on October 20, 2008
at 10:39 pm
I watched E tonight and it was just a film with Katherine and Taylor after he won American Idol. OH well! I thought that was odd, talking about votes? I guess AI had their noses out of joint over the discussions (past) about Taylor taking it in a landslide? Hey, that was on Larry King Live and everywhere else. Can’t change history! Taylor set a new standard for that show, never been the same since nor will be in my opinion. Too bad.
Enjoyed the comments all…Have a good night everybody.:)
By: Jeanni on October 20, 2008
at 10:47 pm
Thanks BHG~whew!~it was not good. HAHA…Listen, I think I know what happened. I posted the first link. Then, when in my next post, I posted another one…the one to Loren’s myspace. So, maybe you can’t post one link every post? I don’t know. I thought I could elsewhere. Oh well, I am bailed out. HEE HEE!
Oh, and jeanni…I guess you see, I posted what you sent me. jeanni sent me the links to Loren’s site and I had never seen it, well, quite some time ago. I am amazed at his talent…as always.
I saw the E News…and Taylor did look hot. I liked his hair…SOOOOOO much. I can’t decide on whether he looks better with it really short or longer. What do you all think? I love Loren’s ponytail…as that is what I have always liked…the rebel in me. Taylor with a ponytail? Uh…hmmmm…I dunno. I don’t think so.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 20, 2008
at 11:09 pm
Landslide indeed!
Often wondered if Simon was so mad that the public didn’t listen to him, or that Tay played both him and the show like a fiddle, or that Randy and Paula laughed at him?
Maybe all three?
By: taylordays on October 20, 2008
at 11:12 pm
taylordays, I think that Taylor played them all. He is gifted in this arena. He could read them all and they were totally blindsided. I have heard so many times about how the fans want the old Taylor. The one from American Idol.
Taylor isn’t and never was the man on American Idol, to me. I don’t mean every part or every facet. I am talking about the essence of Taylor was always more. Class, intelligence and so much business sense. He could run an empire and one day; he might just do that. His own.
Let’s not forget his music. Unique and sexy, he is the whole package. The real deal. He is planning and preparing. I think he calculates and makes his own analysis, then moves on and at a slower pace than some want, but they are not going to control that, he is in full control, cruise control.
By: silverslipper on October 21, 2008
at 12:30 am
Okay, I finally had time to read through all of these posts.
Damn!!! I missed Taylor on E
I’ll have to keep watching and hope for a repeat.
Cbb Loren Gold is really talented. I love his music. I hope he is with Taylor on the next tour.
Jeanni The Right Place on the view with Loren. THUD!!! That video gets me every time. I love it. My all time favorite Taylor Hicks song.
TaylorDays, Taylor is one smart guy. I’m sure he knew exactly what he was doing.
By: brownhairedgirl on October 21, 2008
at 2:23 am
Taylor took that show by storm when got on that stage he owned it. They couldn’t stop him Simon’s nasty put downs only gave Taylor more fuel. The show will never be the same he changed it forever. I believe he plotted his course and gained more control every week, much to their dismay.
CBB, Great videos he is so talented, glad you got to spend some time with him and talk.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 21, 2008
at 5:45 am
Thinking about Kat and Taylor together got me thinking about some of the old interviews done after season 5 was over. This is one of my all time favorite. They are both really cute. Soul Control!!
http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1035571
By: brownhairedgirl on October 21, 2008
at 10:33 am
That was a really cute interview I remember that one when it came out. Thanks for posting it.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 21, 2008
at 1:01 pm
This one’s for you CBB! He looks and sounds just stunning!
Cheers!
By: Jeanni on October 21, 2008
at 2:21 pm
LOVED the interview. Loren is special. No doubt about it folks. Hot too…damnation, had to say that. OK…but, the main news I came to tell was that on THE NO SPIN ZONE on Fox…O’Reilly had a segment about how supposedly Simon Cowell is getting paid WAY more than Paula and Randy. All is not so good in paradise. It is told that Paula and Rande and even Ryan are not saying anything publicly…but, it is in the air. Well, the story is told that Simon is making around 50 million a year for just the show. Paula is making 6-8 mil…and Randy is making 2 mil. SO…some have indicated that Simon is part of the owner of the show or has some kind of an extra cut for something…but, NO. He is not connected…EXCEPT, that he is giving the winner a record deal…lmao…and because of his personality? He deserves more. OK…so, really, could we not all live great for the rest of our lives if we made what they make in ONE FREAKING YEAR? Ok…well, they have added a younger woman to the judge list…and this is because their ratings have fallen…especially amongst young people…7 percent. HAHAHA!!! When just the older generation watches…they will just watch to see who is fighting with whom and if Paula accidentally lets one of her boobs fall out of her dress while a little tipsy…it is not the same. We are relishing that Taylor Hicks was the best thing to come along and without the promotion, attention, respect and admiration…the list goes on…he was still going to outsmart, outwit, and find his way out of the PART of AI that was wicked…it brought him to us…but, it also was choking him. He knew…and the slow and easy remark…yea, baby…he did it. Like winning the lottery. Now…we shall wait for the MASTER CD. Patiently…I might add.
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 21, 2008
at 7:40 pm
Shoot…the best part…
Simon threatened Nigel that IF he did not pay him enough, he would bring his British Idol to America and compete with AI…Aren’t they like two snakes fighting in a snake pit?
By: celebrityblondebabe on October 21, 2008
at 7:43 pm
Gah, but I need to learn to communicate better.
I agree with all of you about what Taylor did. What I wrote was my perception of what Taylor did.
My question was about what you thought was driving Simon’s visceral dislike of Taylor.
By: taylordays on October 21, 2008
at 11:49 pm
Off hand since Nigel started the dust up about Simon’s salary, I’d say Nigel didn’t like being fired. Hee Hee.
By: taylordays on October 21, 2008
at 11:50 pm
Coming in late about the dust flying in AI land. Taylordays, was Nigel fired? For real?
As for AI and what the judges make? About a year ago, it was a raging hot topic on one of the fansites. Naturally, the chrolls came out of the AI thread, to argue with those of us who were discussing it. Right now, I can’t give sources, but I seem to recall that Simon was owner/partner with AI in some way, he also was involved (as Cbb said) with the resulting winners LABEL (LMAO) and got a HUGE percentage cut regaring the label. I recall something like this..56 Million. Yep.
As for WHY Simon behaved in an inappropriate way regarding Taylor – and why all the insults during and afterwards? PLAIN and simply..Heres my take on that –
1. JEALOUS – Of Taylor -
2. ENVIOUS – Loathed the reaction of women toward Taylor –
3. SUPIDITY – Because Taylor knew American music history and HE did not.
4. MONEY – - He couldn’t stand the idea that he would have to be part of signing Taylor, because he couldn’t control him.
AND Simon can’t dance (said Paula) and Taylor can! HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
By: Jeanni on October 22, 2008
at 1:42 am
Jeanni, I don’t think Idol will ever recover from season 5, it has been downhill since. Taylor changed the make-up of the whole show. Even this past year allowing the contestants to use instruments didn’t give them what I think they planned it would. David Cook was very talented and I am happy he won, but he just didn’t have the stage presence Taylor did, none of them do. Simon and crew can think what they want but Taylor made the biggest impression on that show. I think Simon goes too far with his comments, the older ones can take it, he just crushes the young ones. He could be a lot kinder with his comments, but I guess the folks in charge like the nastier the better.
JI
By: jerseyirish on October 22, 2008
at 8:02 am
I also agree with all of ya. American Idol had the best opportunity to continue to grow and become even more of an empire than what it did. In my opinion, what happened is that internal ego and greed destroyed the flow. Once that flow was stopped, like blood flowing through a vein, it stroked out. It tried to recover but, when you are not aware of what the problem is, then you don’t know how to treat it. It was like the blind leading the blind. Ego and greed are very powerful. It ruined them. They are done.
By: silverslipper on October 22, 2008
at 8:35 am
I have to say that this same type of self destruction, follows some that post on the internet. It ruined them. They are done.
By: silverslipper on October 22, 2008
at 8:37 am